What a cool action sequence!
(Also lovely hidden ninja!)
“Crappit” is not a sanctioned magic word. No wonder Elfs incantation failed..
Last panel: “Hey, Elf, my knives are up here!”
Again, gentlemen, I love it.
She didn’t wait her turn!
And she still looks like a man.
thats a naughty place for a ninja to hide.
oh yea, and O, you failed her physique, but you saved yourself with dat ass….
I normally don’t comment to defend my work. But seeing the comments so far, I do feel the need to explain something about Raven
Raven wasn’t designed to be beautiful, attractive or sexy in any way.
She was designed to be a person that is absolutely, 100% focused on her job. When we imagined a person that does what she does, we imagined that they wouldn’t care about if they looked good or whatever, they would care about the practicality of their outfit and if it helps or hinders what they’re trying to do.
For those of you saying she looks like a guy, I’d ask why?. There’s nothing about her that’s exclusively a male trait. She’s not “girly”, that’s for sure. But then again, why would she be? As long as she looks like the same person from one panel to another, I’m good.
As far as what I’m looking for when I design a human (or humanoid), I worry about her being proportionate and her anatomy being correct, and I can assure I double check on that. But if you’re looking for a sexy rogue or something along those lines, well… Raven doesn’t care how you think she looks.
Major respect, O, for that line of thinking.
Wait…is she a vampire? (that seems like a valid reason that she could just blow through any spell Elf might pull).
Why, exactly, do people seem to expect every female character to look like some kind of voluptuous sex kitten despite ample evidence in their everyday lives that this is not how the world works, and declare that they “look like a man” if they don’t?
Looks great, O – and looks like Elf is discovering something he isn’t very good at.
Well – I just went back to #49 again and followed Raven up through to these panels. I don’t see anything that would cause me to doubt her gender. The proportioning seems fine, and people come in all shapes anyway. Though some guys even prefer an athletic build, her feminism or attractiveness doesn’t really factor in for shit when she’s running you through with a blade.
I would think people are depraved of something in order to even think that a female has to be a voluptuous, Makes me sick. But as O stated Raven does not care if shes sexy or not and I am sure she cares less about having things bouncing about while shes trying to stab someone.
I’m digging the action sequence, I can see **and feel** the energy of Raven’s strike building as she charges.
Raven’s body in the 2nd panel seems a bit long. Typically females have more pronounced hips.
Her face doesn’t have feminine features; her nose is flat, typically the nose will curve more inwards at the eyes. And about 60% the way up her jaw, away from her chin should also curve inwards, I believe.
This is why she looks like a dude to me. Her face also looks gaunt, but that’s not a trait exclusive to females.
One of my favorite quotes from Terry Pratchett:
“The writer looks furtively at the cover artist, and words like ‘full’, ‘round’ and even ‘pert’ start creeping into the narrative, until he has to go and have a cold shower and a lie down.
Which is all rather silly, because any woman setting out to make a living by the sword isn’t about to go around looking like something off the cover of the more advanced kind of lingerie catalog for the specialized buyer.”
She’s not going to just stand there while he finishes casting the spell? Well, that’s just rude.
It’s like I said. Put a fast moving, agile fighter on the spellcaster who needs to be able to concentrate. In many games, the thief often beats the wizard because the thief can get close quickly, sometimes undetected and then knock the wizard around, who unless he has a quick means of escape, can’t focus long enough to get a proper spell cast.
She looks like a real-life anatomically realistic really-real-style female hooman. Perfectly fine to me. I like it.
@Logster: My oldest daughter is 6 foot tall long and lanky, she does not have overly pronounced hips or any of the other “Typically” female traits you speak of. No one has ever confused her with a guy and most people who meet her find her quite beautiful. I think you need to get over trying to fit women into neat little boxes of what you think of as feminine or not. The world is a wonderfully, amazingly, diverst place and both men and women come in quite a few shapes and sizes. Deal with it.
Also O’ I love where you hid the ninja today. At first I thought there wasn’t one but I kept thinking he (or she) had to be there so I kept looking till ninja was spotted. Well played.
There are plenty of women in real life who don’t fit the perfect model of feminineness. Do you complain to them about their physique, too?
He failed his concentration roll. A charging rogue with dual-wielded daggers can do that.
You guys are reaching so bad in your response to the comments about her anatomy. Logester didn’t say anything about her being some super curvy voluptuous chick, nor did anyone else; I understand that argument you guys are trying to argue against… but it’s not one that was posted here. Maybe you shouldn’t assume. =P
Logester isn’t wrong at all. Raven’s physique is pretty uncommon. He himself used the word “typically”, and it is true; there are certain physical shapes you generally see on a woman’s body. The stereotypical beauty you’re arguing against is a very extreme version of it, but there generally is a distinct hip and face shape on a woman.
Some people are androgynous. No one ever said it was UGLY; again you’re arguing against something not being said in this comment thread. But it is what it is. It’s not ugly, it’s not something that never happens, but it isn’t exclusively feminine either.
So, yes, this character DOES look a bit like a man. That’s STILL okay. =P
Try reading the whole thread before trying to defend Logester, There is no such thing as your so called Typical Woman you both speak of.
The only comment going thru my mind while reading this page was in relation to the last pannel: Diehard crotch attack from Youngblood #1
I did, Montross. I’d suggest the same to you.
Where, in this entire comment section, did anyone suggest that Raven be…
“beautiful, attractive or sexy in any way”?
“look like some kind of voluptuous sex kitten”?
” looking like something off the cover of the more advanced kind of lingerie catalog”?
Bottom line is you’re blowing it out of proportion.
And yes, there is such a thing as it. I know artists who study anatomy and I know that there are a certain amount of more masculine shapes on Raven’s design. They’re not EXCLUSIVELY male and I’ve seen them on females before, but they’re pretty uncommon and usually you will see slightly larger hips, a rounded forehead, etc., on a woman. Her forehead shape is obviously obscured, but her body type seems more masculine from what I ca see of it. Nothing wrong with the design — I disagree with Logestar there — but like I said; you guys are arguing against some OTHER argument you’ve seen someone make, not one actually right here in this comment section.
I should correct myself: there’s nothing wrong with the design in terms of looking a little masculine. I do think she doesn’t have enough muscle on her arms, but it’s a small point and was probably used to indicate she’s fast, not strong. It’s just that you need muscle for speed. =P
Wait…we’re still talking about this?
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